gleam wrote:And if they hadn't outed her and kicked her out, and instead seated her ahead of other guests who'd been waiting longer, given her better service in general, and paid more attention to her food, maybe they'd have gotten an unfairly positive review. And her readers wouldn't know that she'd been identified and given special treatment.
Look, if this restaurant could identify her, other restaurants had already identified her, too. As a food media consumer, I want to know if my "anonymous" dining critics are truly anonymous to the restaurants they review. Do we honestly think Phil Vettel's face is a mystery to Chicago restaurants? Why continue the charade?
ronnie_suburban wrote:gleam wrote:And if they hadn't outed her and kicked her out, and instead seated her ahead of other guests who'd been waiting longer, given her better service in general, and paid more attention to her food, maybe they'd have gotten an unfairly positive review. And her readers wouldn't know that she'd been identified and given special treatment.
Look, if this restaurant could identify her, other restaurants had already identified her, too. As a food media consumer, I want to know if my "anonymous" dining critics are truly anonymous to the restaurants they review. Do we honestly think Phil Vettel's face is a mystery to Chicago restaurants? Why continue the charade?
Yeah, I don't care that they outed her. I just think they weren't being entirely forthright in their comments about what their real motivation for doing so was.
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gleam wrote:And if they hadn't outed her and kicked her out, and instead seated her ahead of other guests who'd been waiting longer, given her better service in general, and paid more attention to her food, maybe they'd have gotten an unfairly positive review. And her readers wouldn't know that she'd been identified and given special treatment.
Kman wrote:gleam wrote:And if they hadn't outed her and kicked her out, and instead seated her ahead of other guests who'd been waiting longer, given her better service in general, and paid more attention to her food, maybe they'd have gotten an unfairly positive review. And her readers wouldn't know that she'd been identified and given special treatment.
I'm not in the least suggesting that. I'm only suggesting that perhaps they should have either:
A) immediately let her know they were aware of her identity
B) treated her like any other customer
the way they ended up going about it is, imo, bonkers
sweetsalty wrote:I really should go read some of this woman's reviews. Because, to be honest, I read that article and my first thought was, what a total brat. It just comes across like a tantrum to me, and makes me never want to eat at any of his restaurants (Of course, I have no plans to be in LA anytime in the near future, so he has no reason to care about my reaction). I'm just wondering if her reviews are insanely harsh or unreasonable.
gleam wrote:what a total brat
gleam wrote:If you're the restaurant, you've ID'd her, and you want the best possible outcome, I think the options really are:
A) Take her picture and have the story go viral, with your restaurant getting lots of free press
B) Treat her like a queen and hope you get a good review.
cilantro wrote:gleam wrote:If you're the restaurant, you've ID'd her, and you want the best possible outcome, I think the options really are:
A) Take her picture and have the story go viral, with your restaurant getting lots of free press
B) Treat her like a queen and hope you get a good review.
If you're the restaurant and in addition not a slimeball, there's at least one other option:
C) Treat her like a normal customer, let her write her review, and hope for the best.
Santander wrote:
Phil Vettel, critic
Last night, food critic Phil Vettel showed up on our back porch hoping to get a meal. We don't care for him or his reviews, and it's clear to us that he has no understanding of what it takes to run or work in a suburban kitchen. While devouring anything he can get, some of his hissing reviews and general unfriendliness can be unnecessarily cruel and irrational. We asked him and his party to leave immediately, and will not be serving them again. Hopefully his image will serve other chefs so that they can make their own decisions about whether to welcome this type of commentator into their places.
gleam wrote:cilantro wrote:gleam wrote:If you're the restaurant, you've ID'd her, and you want the best possible outcome, I think the options really are:
A) Take her picture and have the story go viral, with your restaurant getting lots of free press
B) Treat her like a queen and hope you get a good review.
If you're the restaurant and in addition not a slimeball, there's at least one other option:
C) Treat her like a normal customer, let her write her review, and hope for the best.
Right, but then you're a bad businessman
Mhays wrote:However, I think if a critic makes a reservation at a place using the same name they use in their reviews, or otherwise deliberately name-drops to the restaurant staff before paying the bill, it's hard for the restaurant to take that as anything but a request for special treatment - and that is taking unfair advantage of their position. Other than that, I think a critic has no more responsibility to hide their identity than anyone else - After all, don't restaurant critics go to restaurants just to get some calories in, on occasion? I think the days of wigs and dark glasses are behind us.
I don't know what I think of this situation, but certainly it was not an exercise in civility on the part of anyone involved. I can see where restaurateurs may feel ambushed by the secret-dining-critic, though this seems like an odd and unnecessarily unpleasant way to handle it. I find the response of "now it's going to be harder to do my job" to be even odder - after all, she's a food writer, not the health inspector.
Mhays wrote:I was not discussing this particular case when I pointed out that there is one legitimate concern: if a critic deliberately drops his or her pen name (or brings their entourage, or otherwise makes an obvious display of being a restaurant critic) they are, by implication, blackmailing the restaurant to get a better experience. That is not OK.
imsscott wrote:She did not identify herself. She made her reservation under a different name.
Kman wrote:But - unless I've totally missed the boat on how this all went down, none of what you say here applies. The critic was trying to retain their anonymity but was recognized and outed by the restaurant. You have valid points about those that abuse their "critic" status but would they not be better made in a thread dedicated to that topic?
Mhays wrote:Kman wrote:But - unless I've totally missed the boat on how this all went down, none of what you say here applies. The critic was trying to retain their anonymity but was recognized and outed by the restaurant. You have valid points about those that abuse their "critic" status but would they not be better made in a thread dedicated to that topic?
I was responding to the critic's statement about anonymity being critical to doing her job - as the world is now, the only case I can make for a critic's anonymity is the above, which didn't happen here. Her job is safe - unless, of course, she isn't a very good critic.
Mhays wrote:I suppose that is a reasonable concern (though it shows that the publications aren't thinking things through, either.)
Darren72 wrote:Anonymity isn't the only way to ensure this, but it certainly a valid way.
You say that media outlets aren't thinking things through. How would you propose they do it instead and how do you think restaurant reviews would be different from the way they are now?